Psychology behind breast fetishism

Or, I can read the post and reject it, as I already did. It is bunch of bio-babble.

"Men are attracted to fertility & ovulation cues".

Bullshit.

What if I have no desire whatsoever to have children? That would make a woman's fertility/ovulation pretty damn irrelevant, wouldn't it?

But it wouldn't deter me from wanting to suck her tits, would it? No, it wouldn't.

When I go on titty hunts or am watching titty
porn, Im not giving a damn about no fertility or ovulation.

You cant get inside a person's mind and scientifically explain why he likes or dislikes certain things. There is just no correlation.

All you can do is speculate, which is fine...but when you try to turn your speculation into some brute scientific fact, that is where things tend to get a bit...flaky, to say the least.
I agree.. if the "we like big tits and asses because they are evolutionary cues to fertility" theory was correct, we would be thinking about raising kids all the time, and not just be content with sex... When I'm sucking on a tit I don't think "oohhhh just imagine how good this will be for my future baby, oohh she will make such a good mother, look at all these fertility cues humm", no I just wanna dive my face and dick in it. And having a kid is the absolute last thing on my head, actually, if she was sterile it would be the best thing ever and that would in no way deter my boner.

We like big breasts because it just FEELS GOOD, more skin to interact with, therefore more pleasure, more stimulation. It's that simple.. but guys think there must be a complex scientific reason for absolute everything, even something as subjective as breast fetishism, and then they end up with all these crazy BS explanations.
 
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I agree.. if the "we like big tits and asses because they are evolutionary cues to fertility" theory was correct, we would be thinking about raising kids all the time, and not just be content with sex... When I'm sucking on a tit I don't think "oohhhh just imagine how good this will be for my future baby, oohh she will make such a good mother, look at all these fertility cues humm", no I just wanna dive my face and dick in it. And having a kid is the absolute last thing on my head, actually, if she was sterile it would be the best thing ever and that would in no way deter my boner.

We like big breasts because it just FEELS GOOD, more skin to interact with, therefore more pleasure, more stimulation. It's that simple.. but guys think there must be a complex scientific reason for absolute everything, even something as subjective as breast fetishism, and then they end up with all these crazy BS explanations.
This is merely the disconnect between conscious thought, and instinct. In the moment, what matters is the physical and emotional pleasure of the persons involved. But there is still a background reason why breasts; after all you're not getting the same lust from her shoulders, even though they're also present. Thus the notion of it being an evolutionary trait isn't absurd even if you never conscious connect lust for tits wit their biological purpose of feeding children.

The argument this thread has devolved to is whether or not the average man has an upper limit that they start to find unattractive and if the people who do like those sizes have a fetish, and then, if it is a fetish, why do they have that fetish if the average man does not?
 
I like huge tits because they're absurd. Two protrusions in the very front that jiggle whenever the girl makes a movement. A girl displaying her big tits in public is like if it were publicly acceptable for me to whip out my dick but only if the dick head was covered with a baby's sock. These massive jiggling tits are totally unavoidable for men's lizard brains to avoid looking at. I love huge tits because they totally objectify the tit-wearer into a purely sexual object: a walking pair of tits. I hate 99.99% of women and think they're lazy, ungrateful, self-centered, conceited, and stupid, so I suppose that gets me off!
 
massive jiggling tits are totally unavoidable for men's lizard brains to avoid looking at.
I liked this part. (y)

I hate 99.99% of women
I can't agree that this is a good perspective at all. I hope you get the opportunity to work through some of that pain my friend.
 
The male preference for a large firm pair is easily understood through the lens of evolutionary theory. However, niche breast fetishism and our obsession with size, often with a willingness to disregard everything else, is more difficult to explain. A sexual attraction to obese 65 year old Walmart shoppers is, evolutionarily speaking, maladaptive, yet half this forum would choose Grandma over the nubile maiden.

I opened another thread on the same topic. One theory is that niche object obsession is a manifestation of the autistic / extreme male brain. There's some merit to this idea. I can't imagine we have a sister forum where dozens of women are trying to match up some moles on a knob in the hope of clarifying that two separately sourced pictures are actually of the same Chinese bloke.
 
I'd love to get a survey of how well known Hitomi Tanaka is from the sort of guys who "prioritise faces over large tits". Because I cannot imagine many of the people who like generic porn, even those who specifically like generic porn featuring Asian women, would encounter Hitomi. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I would be surprised to learn I was wrong.

There are definitely men who aren't attracted to big boobs. [1] [2] [3]. Science backs this up [4] There is definitely evidence of a maximum size for the average man.

But, since you clearly propose it's a preference, how often can you forego that preference in porn? How often can you look at porn featuring a woman who is slim, has a striking face, a big ass, and a flat stomach but modest breasts? If it's a preference, surely you could get off to women with AA cups right? After all, you're choosing to prefer one part of the total package over other aspects, so can't you just prefer another part? Can you honestly tell me you can get off to porn where no-one in it is bigger than a B cup?

Lets go in the other direction too. What do you think a fetish actually is? Is a thing for French Maids a fetish? If so, what makes it a fetish, is it the outfit? What about a thing for BBW's? Is that a fetish? After all, it's deviating from the norm, you said yourself, most men are attracted to flat stomachs. But it's not a removable trait like a French Maid's outfit is (at least not immediately removable without diet and excersise). But if BBW's are a fetish, why aren't enormous (as in H cups and beyond, not the average C cup) tits a fetish? Why is it merely a preference to exclusively like women with a cup size that's in the top 0.0...01 percentile? Why is that not a fetish?

This is my fundamental core. Why is liking breasts that are so much bigger than any average, and bigger than most guys want, at the expense of other stereotypically attractive things like faces, butts, slim waistlines and so on not a fetish when it accurately fits into the same criteria as so many other fetishes that are tied to traits an individual possesses? And the only answer you have is "well, most guys like big boobs because of evolution" and you can't accept the notion that actually, the average guy also has an upper limit on boob size

So tell me. Can you actually get off to porn that doesn't include anyone larger than a B cup? And what do you define as a fetish? Those are the two sticking points for me. If the answer to the former is a yes, then you clearly have big boob lust as a preference, something I, and I'm sure many others, don't get that choice in because of our fetish.

Ok, you keep asserting that men have an “upper limit on boob size” - where did you get this information from?
Is this based on some men loving “zero tits” (a tiny percentage of men) or that there is a LACK of commercially famous or well known women with ENOURMOUS tits.
You also stated that it must be a fetish due to so few women possessing very large breasts, so it’s rare therefore must be a fetish for men to like it? Which is another very weak argument.

I personally love large breasts, so it’s not about me.
What I wrote above is about men’s natural biological attraction to womens breasts and that’s it’s not a fetish in any way.

Hitomi Tanaka is EXTREMELY popular. I tell mates or guys when I’ve been overseas when they ask when I first got into asian girls, I tell them, because of Hitomi Tanaka.

Every time I’ve said that, no matter who the guys, they all know her (asians, europeans, latin americans, Australians etc.). Feel free to go to xvideos or phub or wherever has her wiki info to confirm her huge popularity worldwide.

We can all agree - Hitomi has mega large breasts - they don’t fall into the “big tits” bra sizes of D-G cup - she’s like a J-L cup on a tiny frame.

If Hitomi is soo popular worldwide as a pornstar and her main feature is a combination of very very large tits, a slim body and a somewhat pleasant face, that completely goes against your argument that “most men don’t like breasts too big - therefore huge breasts are a fetish” argument.

If liking enormous breasts is a “fetish”, the same can be said about liking enourmous asses - but no-one that I’ve ever heard of regards liking an enormous ass a fetish ever. Every black guy (and alot of other guys too) I’ve ever met would basically have that fetish if that was the case.

How is it deviating from the norm? Have you ever heard a man or woman (personally say this) for that matter say, “you know what, her breasts are just too big, it turns me off”
I’ve been with some extremely chesty women, dating, as girlfriends, in public etc.
I’ve never heard this said by anyone and I’ve never read about any male saying that anywhere, any time. Not on television, in films, documentaries or interviews about mens dating or preferences or any studies.

Is there any actual evidence that you have that men COMMONLY (not a tiny percentage) don’t like very very large breasts or are turned off by very large breasts on their own (not in combination with an overweight or obese woman)?

Have you actually met any women that have exceptionally large breasts? Many of the ones I’ve met want to get a breast reduction? Do you know why?
While they might say, “bras hurt with breasts this big” (solution: no need to wear a bra), the biggest reason is because EVERYONE stares at them wherever they go - men and women. They say, men and women constantly grab and squeeze their tits, they have men constantly approaching them everywhere they go, no-one looks them in the face, everyone thinks they’re “always horny” or “always up for it” even when they’re not (which is because big breasts are an ovulation/arousal signal to men).
If people thought big breasts were disgusting or ugly or a fetish - why would such a huge volume of normal people be so attracted to them all the time?
 
The male preference for a large firm pair is easily understood through the lens of evolutionary theory. However, niche breast fetishism and our obsession with size, often with a willingness to disregard everything else, is more difficult to explain. A sexual attraction to obese 65 year old Walmart shoppers is, evolutionarily speaking, maladaptive, yet half this forum would choose Grandma over the nubile maiden.

I opened another thread on the same topic. One theory is that niche object obsession is a manifestation of the autistic / extreme male brain. There's some merit to this idea. I can't imagine we have a sister forum where dozens of women are trying to match up some moles on a knob in the hope of clarifying that two separately sourced pictures are actually of the same Chinese bloke.

I think you’re making the same argument as the other poster.

If you examine the female equivalent to us liking extremely large breasts, I would say the female equivalent would be either of these:
1. Liking men with huge (either width or length or both) penises
2. Liking men who are exceptionally tall or exceptionally muscular (or both).

Women liking these things are quite common and not considered a fetish in any way, by women, society, our culture or in any studies or research that I’m aware of. We’ve all met women that like the above because they’re just a more extreme version of popular mate selective traits women are biologically drawn to in a mate to increase their chances or survival and reproduction.
 
I like huge tits because they're absurd. Two protrusions in the very front that jiggle whenever the girl makes a movement. A girl displaying her big tits in public is like if it were publicly acceptable for me to whip out my dick but only if the dick head was covered with a baby's sock. These massive jiggling tits are totally unavoidable for men's lizard brains to avoid looking at. I love huge tits because they totally objectify the tit-wearer into a purely sexual object: a walking pair of tits. I hate 99.99% of women and think they're lazy, ungrateful, self-centered, conceited, and stupid, so I suppose that gets me off!
Respectfully, most people aren’t consciously aware WHY they like very large breasts.

That’s the reason why I wrote about the science and research about why human males are attracted to women’s breasts - whether big or small or huge.
 
I equate big breasted women with being more womanly. Maybe even more virile too. A girl with huge tits just seems to be more of a woman than a flat chested girl.
I equate big breasted women with being more womanly. Maybe even more virile too. A girl with huge tits just seems to be more of a woman than a flat chested girl.

Yeah, agreed. This is the same as the research I posted.
 
I literally liked huge tits ever since I was little. HBO and Cinemax did a lot lol. Then the internet started and it was all uphill from there. I'm 33.

Yeah, it’s not a cultural things. Men all over the world like or liked big breasts without the help of cable tv and the internet.
 
I agree.. if the "we like big tits and asses because they are evolutionary cues to fertility" theory was correct, we would be thinking about raising kids all the time, and not just be content with sex... When I'm sucking on a tit I don't think "oohhhh just imagine how good this will be for my future baby, oohh she will make such a good mother, look at all these fertility cues humm", no I just wanna dive my face and dick in it. And having a kid is the absolute last thing on my head, actually, if she was sterile it would be the best thing ever and that would in no way deter my boner.

We like big breasts because it just FEELS GOOD, more skin to interact with, therefore more pleasure, more stimulation. It's that simple.. but guys think there must be a complex scientific reason for absolute everything, even something as subjective as breast fetishism, and then they end up with all these crazy BS explanations.

Just because you’re not consiously aware of WHY you like big breasts when you actually feel that in the moment, it doesn’t mean the research is inaccurate.
This isn’t MY opinion or my speculation about why men like large breasts - it’s the current theory that’s been thoroughly researched by very intelligent people for awhile now.

What other researched theories are there that describe why men are attracted to breasts or large breasts?
Can you share any of the researched theories here?
 
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This is merely the disconnect between conscious thought, and instinct. In the moment, what matters is the physical and emotional pleasure of the persons involved. But there is still a background reason why breasts; after all you're not getting the same lust from her shoulders, even though they're also present. Thus the notion of it being an evolutionary trait isn't absurd even if you never conscious connect lust for tits wit their biological purpose of feeding children.

The argument this thread has devolved to is whether or not the average man has an upper limit that they start to find unattractive and if the people who do like those sizes have a fetish, and then, if it is a fetish, why do they have that fetish if the average man does not?

Agreed - all these guys in this thread saying that they aren’t consciously thinking about the deeper reason for liking breasts in the moment is absurd - “That can’t be true about our biological drive for big breasts because I don’t think it in the moment”
Just LOL.

That’s another one - people say womens breasts are ONLY for feeding children or related to breastfeeding.
Breasts can have a DUAL function - I’m not sure why that’s so hard for you guys to believe.

The argument about men having an “upper limit” is in another post above.
Evidence/research/studies/large surveys about this?
 
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Is there any actual evidence that you have that men COMMONLY (not a tiny percentage) don’t like very very large breasts or are turned off by very large breasts on their own (not in combination with an overweight or obese woman)?

I've never been able to work this one out to be honest. I've been active on a few different sports forums over the years and they always have a sexy ladies thread. Invariably, it's 900 pages of B-cuppers. I've thrown them photos of Hitomi and their reactions seem to range between amusement and mild disgust. Similarly, if you check out ukpunting, the UK's premier whore-mongering website, you'll see no special demand for huge breasts. 90% of reviews barely even give a mention to the boobs. And yet if Hitomi walked into a Hollywood afterparty, guns blazing, no one would even notice the "most beautiful women in the world". Huge breasts (on slim bodies) dominate the room.

I've no idea how the mind of a non-boobhound works.
 
I've never been able to work this one out to be honest. I've been active on a few different sports forums over the years and they always have a sexy ladies thread. Invariably, it's 900 pages of B-cuppers. I've thrown them photos of Hitomi and their reactions seem to range between amusement and mild disgust. Similarly, if you check out ukpunting, the UK's premier whore-mongering website, you'll see no special demand for huge breasts. 90% of reviews barely even give a mention to the boobs. And yet if Hitomi walked into a Hollywood afterparty, guns blazing, no one would even notice the "most beautiful women in the world". Huge breasts (on slim bodies) dominate the room.

I've no idea how the mind of a non-boobhound works.
Ok, so you don’t have any real evidence from large surveys or research?

What you’re referring to is circumstantial evidence.

I can say the same thing when I’ve been out in public with massive chested women I’ve dated - literally EVERYONE is staring at their tits and watching every move they make everywhere they go, always.

It’s actually one of the biggest downsides of dating a (slim young) girl with massive breasts - they unimaginable amount of eyes and attention on them at all times, everywhere we go.

So, you think when you posted some pics of big chested girls on mens forums and that no-one responded to said pictures means men must mostly not be interested in really big chested women?
 
Ok, you keep asserting that men have an “upper limit on boob size” - where did you get this information from?
Is this based on some men loving “zero tits” (a tiny percentage of men) or that there is a LACK of commercially famous or well known women with ENOURMOUS tits.
You also stated that it must be a fetish due to so few women possessing very large breasts, so it’s rare therefore must be a fetish for men to like it? Which is another very weak argument.

I personally love large breasts, so it’s not about me.
What I wrote above is about men’s natural biological attraction to womens breasts and that’s it’s not a fetish in any way.

Hitomi Tanaka is EXTREMELY popular. I tell mates or guys when I’ve been overseas when they ask when I first got into asian girls, I tell them, because of Hitomi Tanaka.

Every time I’ve said that, no matter who the guys, they all know her (asians, europeans, latin americans, Australians etc.). Feel free to go to xvideos or phub or wherever has her wiki info to confirm her huge popularity worldwide.

We can all agree - Hitomi has mega large breasts - they don’t fall into the “big tits” bra sizes of D-G cup - she’s like a J-L cup on a tiny frame.

If Hitomi is soo popular worldwide as a pornstar and her main feature is a combination of very very large tits, a slim body and a somewhat pleasant face, that completely goes against your argument that “most men don’t like breasts too big - therefore huge breasts are a fetish” argument.

If liking enormous breasts is a “fetish”, the same can be said about liking enourmous asses - but no-one that I’ve ever heard of regards liking an enormous ass a fetish ever. Every black guy (and alot of other guys too) I’ve ever met would basically have that fetish if that was the case.

How is it deviating from the norm? Have you ever heard a man or woman (personally say this) for that matter say, “you know what, her breasts are just too big, it turns me off”
I’ve been with some extremely chesty women, dating, as girlfriends, in public etc.
I’ve never heard this said by anyone and I’ve never read about any male saying that anywhere, any time. Not on television, in films, documentaries or interviews about mens dating or preferences or any studies.

Is there any actual evidence that you have that men COMMONLY (not a tiny percentage) don’t like very very large breasts or are turned off by very large breasts on their own (not in combination with an overweight or obese woman)?

Have you actually met any women that have exceptionally large breasts? Many of the ones I’ve met want to get a breast reduction? Do you know why?
While they might say, “bras hurt with breasts this big” (solution: no need to wear a bra), the biggest reason is because EVERYONE stares at them wherever they go - men and women. They say, men and women constantly grab and squeeze their tits, they have men constantly approaching them everywhere they go, no-one looks them in the face, everyone thinks they’re “always horny” or “always up for it” even when they’re not (which is because big breasts are an ovulation/arousal signal to men).
If people thought big breasts were disgusting or ugly or a fetish - why would such a huge volume of normal people be so attracted to them all the time?
The simple truth is that most men prefer medium sized boobs. That was the conclusion reached in psychology today after reviewing multiple studies. A less formal study of 2,000 people (both men and women in America and Europe) found the preferred bra size to be a C, with only 0.7% of men preferring anything larger than a DD.

Anything else I can present is anecdotal, either personal stories of people saying they like medium boobs, my own personal need for huge boobs when jerking off, tales of people citing "more than a handful is a waste" or reddit threads where people dismiss the notion of bigger is better for boobs. The consensus, if you surveyed this group here reading this, is it's a fetish, but no-one's going to survey the public to find if it is or isn't a fetish. But believe me, most people absolutely do have a max size preference.

As for Hitomi, take a look at the most searched for porn stars from 2020. Almost all are in a C to E cup range, and Hitomi doesn't even feature. Sure, she's popular, but she's popular with that 0.7%, it doesn't translate to most popular overall.
 
Ok, so you don’t have any real evidence from large surveys or research?

What you’re referring to is circumstantial evidence.

I can say the same thing when I’ve been out in public with massive chested women I’ve dated - literally EVERYONE is staring at their tits and watching every move they make everywhere they go, always.

It’s actually one of the biggest downsides of dating a (slim young) girl with massive breasts - they unimaginable amount of eyes and attention on them at all times, everywhere we go.

So, you think when you posted some pics of big chested girls on mens forums and that no-one responded to said pictures means men must mostly not be interested in really big chested women?

Did you even read my post?
 
The simple truth is that most men prefer medium sized boobs. That was the conclusion reached in psychology today after reviewing multiple studies. A less formal study of 2,000 people (both men and women in America and Europe) found the preferred bra size to be a C, with only 0.7% of men preferring anything larger than a DD.

Anything else I can present is anecdotal, either personal stories of people saying they like medium boobs, my own personal need for huge boobs when jerking off, tales of people citing "more than a handful is a waste" or reddit threads where people dismiss the notion of bigger is better for boobs. The consensus, if you surveyed this group here reading this, is it's a fetish, but no-one's going to survey the public to find if it is or isn't a fetish. But believe me, most people absolutely do have a max size preference.

As for Hitomi, take a look at the most searched for porn stars from 2020. Almost all are in a C to E cup range, and Hitomi doesn't even feature. Sure, she's popular, but she's popular with that 0.7%, it doesn't translate to most popular overall.

I did read those formal studies you cited first. Those studies had extremely small group sizes (95 people and under), it’s hard to take much from them. Like, Somoans and Africans like “very large breasts” whereas New Zealanders like “Medium Breasts”.

The second informal study has more people (2,000) but is a lot less controlled.
I took a very interesting anomaly from this survey:
American women with breasts from E-F cup sizes or larger are overwhelming unsatisfied with their breasts (22% satisfaction vs. the average 69% satisfaction).
The same size UK and European women with a E-F bust size or larger were SIGNIFICANTLY happier with their breast size than the average (average: 69%) to the point where almost ALL of them were satisfied.
Why would women with very large breasts be significantly more satisfied with their breasts if others didn’t find them more attractive/more attention/more mating options? Having breasts that large means more back problems, more expensive custom bras, less clothes that fit etc etc. - the only upside being more attention/better choice of men for those very big chested women.
If most men aren’t interested in very large breasts (E cup or larger) why would those women be significantly more satisfied with their breast size than women with small or medium breasts?

On Hitomi Tanaka:
She’s mid-30’s now so her new content isn’t going to be as well received because she’s alot older than new pornstars, which would explain why 2020 wouldn’t have been her best year for popularity, because everyone’s already seen her videos when she was in her peak (early-m I would say look over the past 5 years and she’s top 5/10.

According to this, she’s the 4th most popular pornstar after Lisa Ann and Mia Khalifa:
https://www.makemoneyadultcontent.com/most-famous-pornstars/
There are plenty of other huge breasted pornstars that were mega popular - look at Lucie Wilde. She was all round good looking with enormous boobs but had terribly boring sex with the same guy and was still mega popular.
So again, Hitomi isn’t the only one.
 
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